Dutchess County Carving: The Thanksgiving Murder of the Germond Family

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0:44 That's right, folks, No lies, there, nothing but Turkey Day truth bombs. Because just like it says in the intro, I am Zevanodelberg, and this is kind of Murdery. I am back. We are back. My apologies that there was no episode Last Sunday, A dear friend passed away and I was traveling for her memorial service. She was an amazing person and for me, her sudden absence, while painful, is also a reminder that I we have so much to be thankful for, not the least of which is the opportunity to wake up each morning reveling in the good days and soldiering through the bad ones.

1:19 And I do my best to be mindful that each day, good or bad, is a gift, and today is the day to be mindful of the power of gratitude. It's Thanksgiving Day, and I hope your Thanksgiving is a happy one, full of love, laughter, and delicious food. But I also know that holidays, especially family holidays, can be a difficult time for many people. I've had some tough ones myself, so if you're having a hard time this holiday, please remember that you can call nine eight eight, the free three digit lifeline number, anytime, seven days a week, twenty four hours a day to receive immediate counseling for mental health, substance use, and suicidal thoughts.

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2:29 And so again, on this day of thanks I am so grateful for you. Now, this is just a segue. I'm not equating how grateful I am for each and every one of you to a delicious Turkey day side dish. But I am also very thankful for the smell of fresh baked stuffing that's permeating my house right now. My wife makes this incredible cornbread, sausage and sage and other magic ingredients, stuffing that's basically pure ambrosia. And so, as I said today on Thanksgiving, I hope that we all have have much to be thankful for.

3:01 But even if it doesn't feel that way, then hopefully at least we can be thankful not to have spent our Thanksgiving Eve being brutally murdered on a dairy farm. Such was the fate of the Germand family from upstate New York in nineteen thirty. We're about to investigate a ninety three year old cold or maybe not so cold case. So please join me as we uncover what truths we can and solve what mysteries we may. Kind of murderies Duchess County Carving the Thanksgiving Murder of the Germand Family starts now.

3:35 In the deep shadows of Thanksgiving Day, nineteen thirty, a grim tail unfolded in Stanford, New York, one that seeped into the annals of true crime history. The Germand family, residing on their serene dairy farm, found themselves at the heart of a tragedy that would send ripples of horror through Duchess County and beyond. The Details of this case, as gruesome as they are perplexing, would attract the attention of none other than Franklin D. Roosevelt, the then Governor of New York and a fellow resident of Duchess County.

4:15 The night before Thanksgiving, a time typically filled with anticipation and joy, became the backdrop for a harrowing incident. Four members of the Germand family were brutally murdered, their lives extinguished in a place where they should have felt the safest, their own home. This heinous act occurring on the eve of a day synonymous with gratitude and family only amplified the shock and horror that would envelop the community. As the news of the tragedy spread, The peaceful image of the dairy farm was shattered, replaced by a crime scene that would puzzle and disturb investigators.

4:47 The motivations behind the killings, the methods used, and the identity of the perpetrator or perpetrators remain shrouded in mystery, although I believe there are some truths that we will reveal today now. The brutality of the murders contrasted sharply with the tranquil rural setting, created a dichotomy that would haunt all those who learned of it. Governor Roosevelt, known for his leadership and his empathy, could not ignore such a significant and disturbing event happening within his own county.

5:16 His attention to the case signaled its severity and the impact it had, not just locally, but nationally. As we delve into this dark chapter, we tread carefully. We must piecing together the clues and circumstances that led to this unspeakable crime. In a tale that seems more akin to a chilling novel than reality, we explore the depths of human nature and the shadows that can lurk in the most unexpected of places. The investigation into the murders of the German family on that fateful Thanksgiving Eve opens a window into a past filled with mystery, tragedy, and a quest for justice that captured the attention of a nation.

5:54 The evening of November twenty sixth, nineteen thirty, Bernice Jermond, an year old student at Eastman Business College in Poughkeepsie, was en route to her family's farm, nestled on Salt Point Road. The journey, ordinary in every aspect, was about to spiral into a narrative steeped in mystery and horror. As the bus trundled to a halt in front of the German property, Bernice, with a note of concern, remarked to the driver, mister Dennis Haggerty, while looks like nobody's home, the house is dark.

6:21 These words, innocent and unsuspecting, would tragically become her last known utterance to the outside world, a prelude to her encounter with an unknown and deadly fate. The German household, usually a beacon of warmth and familial comfort, stood eerily silent and unlit. The modest dwelling, a symbol of their comfortable yet unpretentious life, was shadowed by a shed and further back, a cattle barn, integral parts of their dairy farm livelihood. The scene, as reported by The Eagle News, painted a picture of a family not wealthy, but content and well established in their community.

6:56 Inside the home, a new high priced radio in the parlor or and freshly baked pies awaiting the Thanksgiving celebration in the pantry stood as testaments to their simple but fulfilling life. What transpired that night, as Bernice stepped off the bus and into the darkness, remained shrouded in mystery. The seemingly peaceful farm was to become the center of a gruesome investigation, one that would reveal the stark contrast between the tranquility of agrarian life and the brutal nature of the crime that occurred there.

7:26 It was not just a case of murder, It was a disruption of the very essence of a family's sanctuary, turning a festive occasion into a grim charnel house that would haunt the community and catch the attention of a future president. The investigation into the events of that fateful Thanksgiving Eve would unfold a story filled with suspense, sorrow, and the quest for answers. On Thanksgiving Day nineteen thirty, an unsettling quiet hung over the Germand dairy farm, a silence that was about to reveal a harrowing secret.

7:58 The first hint of something amiss came from the board in milk company, James DuMond, a diligent and punctual man, failed to deliver his standard batch of milk, an uncharacteristic lapse that repeated the following day, November twenty eighth. Concerned by this unusual behavior, the company dispatched Willard Coons to investigate the delay at the Germand residence. Upon arrival, Coons was immediately struck by the eerie stillness of the farm, a stark contrast to the usual bustling activity. The only sound piercing the silence was the distressed mooing of cows, a clear sign of neglect from a family known for their meticulous care of their livestock.

8:36 Coons, sensing something deeply wrong headed, toward the barn. In the barn, a startling scene awaited him. One of the cows still had a milker attached an indication of a sudden and abrupt interruption to a routine milking. His apprehension, growing, Coons proceeded to the shed, where a horrific discovery awaited him. The bloodied bodies of James jermad On forty seven, at his young son Raymond, aged ten, laid there, painting a gruesome picture of violence. Shaken and terrified, Coons raced to inform James's brother, Paul Drummond of the grizzly find.

9:11 After alerting Paul, Coons hurried back to the board and factory to spread the alarming news. Driven by a mixture of dread and urgency, Paul Germond, along with his father in law and neighbor A. J. Curry, decided to venture into the German house before the arrival of the sheriff. The scene that greeted them was one of utter devastation. Inside, they found Mabel Jumond, forty seven, lifeless near the stove, and Bernice in a haunting pose, wedged under the kitchen table. The brutality of the scene was overwhelming, a stark testament to the violence that had invaded the German family's home.

9:47 The discovery sent shockwaves through the community. Turning a place of familial love and thanksgiving preparation into a crime scene of unfathomable horror. The peaceful farm, once a symbol of rural training equility, had become the setting of a murder mystery that would captivate and horrify the nation. The question of who could commit such an atrocity and why loomed large as the investigation began to unfold, promising a search for truth laden with twists and turns. As the news of the horrific murders on the German farm spread, the scene quickly became a hive of activity.

10:20 Police, coroners, doctors, neighbors, and members of the press converged on the property, all seeking answers to a crime that seemed incomprehensible in its brutality and suddenness. The farm, once a symbol of pastoral peace, was transformed into a chaotic, epicenter of investigation and speculation. The examination of the crime scene revealed chilling details. Each of the four victims had been stabbed multiple times, with a total of twenty three stab wounds shared among them. The precision of the attacks was noted, with each victim receiving at least one stab wound near the heart.

10:55 This suggested a level of cold calculation and intent behind the violence. Particularly distressing was the evidence found on Bernice's hand cut marks that indicated a desperate struggle to fend off her attacker. The savagery of the crime was unprecedented for the local police, who found themselves navigating unfamiliar in grizzly territory. The first suspect to emerge in their investigation was a foreigner seen walking along the road near the farm. However, this lead, like those that followed, yielded no concrete evidence linking him to the murders.

11:26 Another theory considered involved workers from a nearby sight. The proximity and timing of their presence raised suspicion, but again the evidence was lacking, leaving the investigators grasping at shadows. The angle of potential disgruntled suitors of Bernice was also explored, considering the personal nature of the attacks. Yet this avenue, too, led to dead inns. With each passing hour, the mystery deepened and frustration mounted. The absence of clear motives or suspects left the police and community grappling with unsettling questions.

11:57 The idea that such a heinous act could be committed seemingly without reason or traceable cause, was as perplexing as it was frightening. As theories were pursued and discarded, the case of the German family murders began to take on the grim aspect of an unsolvable enigma, a puzzle with pieces that refused to fit together. The German farm tragedy, a case marred by confusion in dead ends, escalated into a frenzy of activity in theories, and yet remained mired in mystery. With the Duchess County Sheriff's Department and State Police at the helm, the investigation into the brutal murders, now labeled the worst crime in the county's history, continued.

12:36 The constant arrival of reporters and curious neighbors only added to the chaos, complicating the already challenging task of uncovering clues. A breakthrough seemed to emerge with the discovery of a large butcher knife, meticulously wiped clean of prints. This critical piece of evidence, traced back to its purchase, hit a frustrating dead end when the shopkeeper failed to identify the buyer. The pattern of promising leads turning into dead ends continued to be a reoccurring theme in the investigation.

13:05 Among the multitude of theories, one centered on a mysterious stranger, the immigrant Florentine Ermendi, seen near the farm around the time of the murders. His arrest in Brooklyn and subsequent release after failing to be identified in a line up, exemplified the challenges facing the investigation. Other theories, ranging from a scorned suitor of Bernice, to disgruntled hunters and an irate road worker, all fizzled out without yielding any tangible results. As the case gained national attention and stalled, it transformed into a politically charged issue.

13:37 The twenty five thousand dollars reward offered by authorities failed to produce any leads. The involvement of Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt, prompted by local residents dissatisfaction with the cases handling, added another layer of complexity. His decision to have the state's attorney general take over was met with accusations of political maneuvering by the Duchess County DA John R. Schwartz, and m criticism from the county's Republican chairman Frederick H. Bontacou. I'm afraid I may have mispronounced mister Frederick H's last name there, but its spelled bo NTec Ou.

14:09 Feel free to reach out and correct me. The investigation into the Jerman's murder took a significant turn on February nineteen thirty three. Over two years later, the rest of neighbor Arthur Curry. Sheriff Oakley Cookingham, driven by his belief in Curry's guilt, built a case against him despite its circumstantial nature. Curry, with a history of violence and an alleged motive linked to a dispute over hunting rights, seemed a plausible suspect. However, the case against Curry unraveled in court.

14:39 The prosecution's theory suggesting the murders stemmed from an argument over hunting rights, was deemed speculative by the judge. The lack of concrete evidence led to Curry's release and the dismissal of the charges, leaving the sheriff and the court with quote too much suspicion and too little evidence unquote. The German family murders a case entwined with local and political intrigue, media frenzy, and labyrinth of theories ultimately remained unresolved. The dismissal of charges against Arthur Curry marked another dead end in a case that had become emblematic of unsolved mysteries, leaving a community and a nation with unanswered questions and a legacy of speculation about what truly happened on that fateful Thanksgiving Eve.

15:23 The enduring mystery of the German Family murders. It was recently revisited in a groundbreaking study by doctor Vincent Cookingham, a distant relative of Sheriff Oakley Cookingham, who initially worked on the case. Doctor Cookingham brings a unique perspective, bridging historical context with modern forensic analysis. Granted access to the original records and the sparse remnants of evidence, doctor Cookingham has undertaken a thorough re examination of the case. His findings are detailed in his recently published book, The Germand Family Murders, A Forensic Conclusion to a cold case.

15:55 In this work, he meticulously dissects every aspect of the crime scene, sifts through the web of rumors, and presents a compelling argument against the theory of a stranger's involvement in the murders. Doctor Cookingham's investigation appears to circle back to a suspect once dismissed, aj Curry. By applying contemporary forensic methods and insights to the decades old evidence, Doctor Cookingham challenges the conclusions drawn by the investigators at the time. His analysis suggests that the nature of the crime, the specific details of the scene, and the context of the events align more convincingly with Curry being the perpetrator than with any other theory proposed over the years.

16:35 The release of doctor Cookingham's book reignites the debates surrounding this notorious case. Is it possible that, after years of speculation, dead ends, and a litany of suspects, the true culprit was the one initially charged but subsequently released due to insufficient evidence. Doctor Cookingham's conclusions invite readers and true crime enthusiasts to reassess the facts and theories that have scrolled around the German Family murders for nearly a century. In the world of cold cases, definitive answers are often elusive, and the passage of time only complicates the quest for truth.

17:08 Doctor Cookingham's book offers a fresh, informed perspective, potentially closing a chapter on one of Duchess County's most infamous and unsolved crimes. Yet, in the absence of incontrovertible proof, the question remains, is the mystery of the German family murders a case I'm calling the Duchess County carving truly solved or does it continue to be the subject of conjecture and debate. Doctor Cookingham has presented his findings. He has decreed that A. J. Curry was the killer, and we the public are left to weigh the evidence, the Thanksgiving leftovers, if you will, and to decide whether Duchess County carving the Thanksgiving murder of the Germand family is a cold case.

17:51 No more. Thank you for being here until next time. Happy Thanksgiving everybody. I'm Zevanodberg and this has been kind of murgery.