The Murder of Betsy Faria: Part Two

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2:21 Speaker 3: straight into the story. This is part two, that's right,

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2:33 Speaker 3: this is part two of kind of Murdery's examination of

2:37 Speaker 3: the murder of Betsy Faria, and it starts now. The

2:50 Speaker 3: first deputies through the front door found Russ Feria standing

2:54 Speaker 3: near the edge of the living room with a phone

2:56 Speaker 3: still pressed against his ear. The dispatcher's voice could be

2:59 Speaker 3: heard faintly through the receiver while officers stepped past him

3:03 Speaker 3: and into the house. One deputy moved directly toward Betsy

3:06 Speaker 3: on the floor beside the couch, while another stopped with

3:09 Speaker 3: Russ near the injury, keeping him back with a hand

3:12 Speaker 3: lightly held against his arm. What happened, asked the deputy.

3:16 Speaker 3: Russ looked past the deputy toward the living room before answering, aye, aye,

3:21 Speaker 3: I came home and found her like that. The deputy

3:24 Speaker 3: asked if anyone else was inside the house. Russ shook

3:28 Speaker 3: his head once and said no. His breathing still came

3:31 Speaker 3: fast between answers. Blood had dried in streaks across one

3:35 Speaker 3: hand and along the front of his pants, where he'd

3:37 Speaker 3: wiped his palm earlier without thinking about it. The deputy

3:40 Speaker 3: near Betsy crouched low beside the body, taking the room

3:44 Speaker 3: in piece by piece before touching anything. The living room

3:47 Speaker 3: stayed quiet except for radios, footsteps, and the dispatcher still

3:52 Speaker 3: talking faintly through Russ's phone. Betsy lay beside the couch

3:55 Speaker 3: where Russ had found her, one arm angled awkwardly near

3:58 Speaker 3: her side. Blood spread beneath her into the carpet. The

4:02 Speaker 3: knife protruding from her neck remained untouched. A deputy leaned

4:06 Speaker 3: in close, checking for signs of life, while another officer

4:09 Speaker 3: stood back near the hallway, watching the rest of the house.

4:12 Speaker 3: Russ kept turning his head toward Betsy while the questions

4:16 Speaker 3: continued around him. What's your name, Russ forarrhea? How long

4:19 Speaker 3: were you gone tonight? A few hours? Where were you

4:23 Speaker 3: with friends? The deputy writing notes asked Russ to repeat

4:27 Speaker 3: the names of his friends slowly while he wrote them

4:29 Speaker 3: down one at a time. Russ rubbed both hands against

4:32 Speaker 3: his genes between answers, leaving darker smears where blood still

4:37 Speaker 3: hadn't dried completely near the front door. Another officer started

4:41 Speaker 3: bogging everybody entering the house. Paramedics came through the doorway

4:46 Speaker 3: carrying equipment bags, stepping carefully. Once officers pointed out the

4:50 Speaker 3: blood near the couch, one knelt beside Betsy, while the

4:53 Speaker 3: other paused just long enough to study the scene around

4:56 Speaker 3: her first, the position of the body, the knife, the

5:00 Speaker 3: amount of blood already soaked into the carpet fibers. Their

5:03 Speaker 3: voices stayed low while they worked. Russ stood near the

5:06 Speaker 3: dining area, now separated from the center of the room

5:09 Speaker 3: by two deputies. He kept looking toward the paramedics while

5:13 Speaker 3: an officer continued questioning him. When was the last time

5:16 Speaker 3: you saw your wife alive before I left to night?

5:19 Speaker 3: She was home resting after her treatment. What time did

5:22 Speaker 3: you leave? Around six? The deputy wrote steadily, without looking

5:26 Speaker 3: up much, while Russ answered. Every few seconds, Russ shifted

5:30 Speaker 3: his wad or craned his neck slightly, trying to see

5:33 Speaker 3: past the officers moving around the living room. One deputy

5:36 Speaker 3: noticed and quietly told him to stay where he was.

5:39 Speaker 3: Russ nodded and stayed planted beside the dining table. Outside,

5:44 Speaker 3: patrol cars lined the street in front of the house,

5:47 Speaker 3: red and blue lights washing across near by garages and

5:50 Speaker 3: parked cars. Neighbors had started gathering near driveways in front walks,

5:54 Speaker 3: bundled in jackets against the cold, while watching officers move

5:58 Speaker 3: in and out through the open front door. Every time

6:01 Speaker 3: the door opened, wider voices and radio traffic spilled briefly

6:04 Speaker 3: out into the neighborhood before the sounds softened again. Inside,

6:08 Speaker 3: investigators started photographing the living room before anything was moved.

6:13 Speaker 3: One crouched near the floor, taking wide shots of the couch, carpet,

6:16 Speaker 3: and blood spread around Betsy's body. Another stood farther back,

6:20 Speaker 3: photographing the room from corner angles before moving closer for

6:24 Speaker 3: tighter shots. Flash after flash lit the walls white for

6:28 Speaker 3: an instant. Russ watched part of that from the kitchen

6:31 Speaker 3: entrance while another deputy continued asking questions, Did you touch

6:35 Speaker 3: the knife? No? What did you touch her shoulder? I

6:39 Speaker 3: checked her neck. The deputy asked him to describe exactly

6:42 Speaker 3: where he had put his hands. By then, the house

6:45 Speaker 3: had divided into separate pockets of activity happening at once.

6:48 Speaker 3: Patrol officers controlled the front injury while paramedics stayed near

6:52 Speaker 3: Betsy and investigators worked the living room floor around them.

6:56 Speaker 3: Detectives had started arriving too, walking into the house more

6:59 Speaker 3: slow slowly than the first responders had, stopping near the

7:03 Speaker 3: body to study the scene before speaking much at all.

7:06 Speaker 3: One detective finally sat across from Russ at the dining

7:09 Speaker 3: table and started again from the beginning. What time did

7:11 Speaker 3: you get home? Russ answered? What did you do when

7:14 Speaker 3: you walked in? I called for her, then I found her.

7:17 Speaker 3: The detective watched Russ carefully while he spoke, occasionally glancing

7:21 Speaker 3: down at his notes. When you found her, what did

7:24 Speaker 3: you do first? I touched her shoulder. I thought maybe,

7:27 Speaker 3: I thought maybe she was still alive. Behind them, another

7:30 Speaker 3: camera flash lit the living room again, while evidence markers

7:34 Speaker 3: began appearing near the couch and across the bloodstained carpet

7:37 Speaker 3: around Betsy's body. The detectives kept Russ at the dining

7:40 Speaker 3: table while the scene team worked through the house room

7:43 Speaker 3: by room. Questions were repeated in slightly different ways each

7:46 Speaker 3: time a new investigator sat down across from Russ. Where

7:50 Speaker 3: had he parked when he arrived home, Which room had

7:52 Speaker 3: he entered first, Whether any doors had been locked when

7:55 Speaker 3: he came inside? Russ answered each question while rubbing his

7:59 Speaker 3: hands together or wiping them again against his genes without

8:02 Speaker 3: seeming to notice he was doing it. One detective asked

8:05 Speaker 3: him to walk through the evening from the beginning. Russ

8:08 Speaker 3: said Betsy had been home after chemotherapy, resting while he

8:11 Speaker 3: left to meet his friends. He described leaving for the

8:14 Speaker 3: weekly gathering, then returning home later that night and calling

8:18 Speaker 3: out for her after he came inside. What made you

8:20 Speaker 3: go into the living room, asked the detective. Well, I

8:24 Speaker 3: couldn't get her to answer me. The detective wrote that

8:26 Speaker 3: down immediately. In the living room, investigator's photographed everything before

8:31 Speaker 3: collecting it. One technician worked slowly around the bloodstained carpet,

8:35 Speaker 3: placing numbered markers beside visible evidence, while another took close

8:39 Speaker 3: up photographs from different angles near the couch. The knife

8:43 Speaker 3: still protruding from Betsy's neck remained untouched while they documented

8:48 Speaker 3: the position of the body and the surrounding room. An

8:51 Speaker 3: investigator near the hallway photographed a pair of slippers with

8:54 Speaker 3: blood on them before placing markers nearby. Another technician crouched

8:59 Speaker 3: load of photograph stains leading across part of the carpet

9:02 Speaker 3: near the living room area. Every movement inside the room

9:06 Speaker 3: stayed deliberate. Officers stepped carefully around evidence markers and avoided

9:11 Speaker 3: the blood spread beneath Betsy. From the dining area, Russ

9:14 Speaker 3: could still see pieces of the activity through gaps between

9:18 Speaker 3: investigators moving around the house. Detectives began reaching out to

9:22 Speaker 3: the friends Russ had said he had been with that evening.

9:25 Speaker 3: Names from the game night group had already been written

9:28 Speaker 3: down during the first interviews. Inside the house, officers worked

9:32 Speaker 3: phones near the kitchen while another detective continued talking to

9:35 Speaker 3: Russ across the table. What time did you leave your

9:38 Speaker 3: friend's house? Uh, I don't know exactly. Did anybody leave

9:44 Speaker 3: with you? No? The detective asked him again about finding Betsy.

9:49 Speaker 3: When you saw her, What did you think happened? Russ

9:53 Speaker 3: looked down at his hands before answering, Ah, I don't know.

9:56 Speaker 3: I just saw the knife and all the blood. One

9:59 Speaker 3: investig gator entered briefly from the living room and quietly

10:02 Speaker 3: handed the detective another sheet of notes before stepping back

10:06 Speaker 3: out toward the crime scene area. Outside, the neighborhood remained

10:10 Speaker 3: awake long past when the street usually went dark. Patrol

10:14 Speaker 3: car lights continued flashing across lawns and garage doors, while

10:18 Speaker 3: officers moved between the house and their vehicles carrying equipment, bags, cameras,

10:22 Speaker 3: and evidence containers. Neighbors stayed gathered in small groups near

10:26 Speaker 3: the curbs, speaking quietly while watching the activity around the

10:30 Speaker 3: Faria home. Inside, the temperature of the house had shifted,

10:34 Speaker 3: with the front door constantly opening and closing. Cold air

10:37 Speaker 3: moved through the injury way every time another officer came inside.

10:41 Speaker 3: A detective finally asked Russ if he needed water. Russ

10:45 Speaker 3: nodded once, and a deputy brought him a bottle from

10:47 Speaker 3: the kitchen. He twisted the cap off slowly, hands still

10:51 Speaker 3: stained dark along the fingers and knuckles. Across the room,

10:55 Speaker 3: another camera flash lit the hallway white for a split second.

10:59 Speaker 3: As the interviews continued, detectives started narrowing the timeline surrounding

11:03 Speaker 3: Betsy's last known hours alive. They asked Russ again about

11:07 Speaker 3: the chemotherapy appointment, about Pam Hump driving Betsy home afterward,

11:12 Speaker 3: and about the text Betsy had sent earlier that evening,

11:15 Speaker 3: saying Pam had brought her home to bed. Russ answered

11:18 Speaker 3: each question while detectives compared his statements against notes already

11:23 Speaker 3: collected from the house and phone records beginning to come in.

11:26 Speaker 3: Did you speak to Pam tonight? No? When was the

11:30 Speaker 3: last time you saw her? Earlier before I left? The

11:34 Speaker 3: detective kept writing while another investigator moved through the dining room,

11:38 Speaker 3: carrying sealed evidence bags out through the front door from

11:42 Speaker 3: deeper in the house. The sound of cameras clicking and

11:45 Speaker 3: officers speaking quietly to each other continued without stopping. By

11:49 Speaker 3: the early hours of the morning, the house had taken

11:51 Speaker 3: on the rhythm crime scenes often due after the first

11:55 Speaker 3: rush settles down, Fewer people talking at once, more quiet movement,

12:00 Speaker 3: investigators crossing the same rooms repeatedly checking details they had

12:04 Speaker 3: already looked at once before. Evidence bags lined part of

12:08 Speaker 3: the dining area table, while photographs continued in the living

12:12 Speaker 3: room around Betsy's body. Russ remained seated near by while

12:16 Speaker 3: detectives kept working through the timeline again from the beginning.

12:20 Speaker 3: What time did Pam leave the house? I don't know

12:23 Speaker 3: exactly what was Betsy wearing when you left? Russ paused

12:28 Speaker 3: before answering, eyes drifting toward the living room again. I

12:32 Speaker 3: I don't remember. The detective watched him for a second

12:36 Speaker 3: before writing something down. One investigator focused on documenting blood

12:41 Speaker 3: evidence throughout the living room area. Another photograph spots near

12:45 Speaker 3: the hallway and portions of the floor surrounding the couch

12:48 Speaker 3: from different angles, before kneeling lower for close up shots.

12:52 Speaker 3: The pair of slippers investigators had marked earlier remained near

12:55 Speaker 3: the edge of the room while technicians continued photographing them

12:59 Speaker 3: before A detective stepped carefully through the scene and stopped

13:03 Speaker 3: near the couch, studying the room without speaking for several seconds.

13:08 Speaker 3: His eyes moved from the blood stains to the knife,

13:10 Speaker 3: and then toward the surrounding furniture behind him. Another investigator

13:14 Speaker 3: quietly said, there's a lot here. The detective nodded once,

13:19 Speaker 3: without looking away from the scene. Across the room, the

13:22 Speaker 3: sound of a camera shutter clicked again and again. Russ's

13:26 Speaker 3: friends had begun speaking with investigators by then, confirming that

13:30 Speaker 3: Russ had been with them earlier in the evening. During

13:32 Speaker 3: the regular game night gathering, detectives moved between conversations inside

13:37 Speaker 3: the house and phone calls with witnesses outside it, building

13:41 Speaker 3: timelines on legal pads and notepads scattered across the dining table.

13:46 Speaker 3: One detective returned to Russ with another series of questions

13:50 Speaker 3: when you found her, did anything in the room look disturbed?

13:54 Speaker 3: I wasn't looking at the room. I was looking at her.

13:57 Speaker 3: Did you move anything besides touching her? No. The detective

14:01 Speaker 3: asked him to describe exactly where he had knelt beside Betsy.

14:05 Speaker 3: Rust leaned slightly forward in the chair while explaining, one

14:08 Speaker 3: hand unconsciously rubbing at the dried blood still visible near

14:12 Speaker 3: his wrist. Elsewhere in the house, investigators began collecting items

14:16 Speaker 3: that had already been photographed and documented evidence. Technicians moved slowly,

14:21 Speaker 3: changing gloves repeatedly while sealing objects into bags and labeling

14:26 Speaker 3: them before carrying them out through the front door. The

14:29 Speaker 3: knife remained in place while the rest of the room

14:31 Speaker 3: continued to be processed around it. Near the kitchen, one

14:35 Speaker 3: investigator quietly discussed the timeline involving Pam Hupp driving Betsy

14:39 Speaker 3: home after chemotherapy. Another detective reviewed notes involving Betsy's text

14:44 Speaker 3: message sent earlier that evening. Betsy texted Pam Hup wants

14:49 Speaker 3: to bring me home to bed? She offered and I accepted.

14:52 Speaker 3: The detective re read the line once more while comparing

14:55 Speaker 3: time stamps written beside it in his notes. Behind him.

14:59 Speaker 3: Another officer carried additional evidence bags towards the entryway. As

15:03 Speaker 3: the night continued, detectives kept returning to the same basic

15:07 Speaker 3: questions surrounding the final hours before Betsy's death. Who had

15:10 Speaker 3: seen her last, who had spoken to her, who had

15:13 Speaker 3: been inside the house? Russ answered each round of questions,

15:17 Speaker 3: while the activity around him never fully stopped. Officers moving

15:21 Speaker 3: through doorways, radios crackling softly, investigators stepping carefully around the

15:26 Speaker 3: taped off living room. One detective finally closed his notebook

15:30 Speaker 3: for a moment and looked directly at Russ. We're going

15:34 Speaker 3: to keep working through everything tonight. Russ nodded once from

15:38 Speaker 3: the living room. Another burst of camera flashes briefly lit

15:41 Speaker 3: the hallway while investigators continued documenting the scene around Betsy's body.

15:46 Speaker 3: By morning, detectives had started pulling together the first full

15:50 Speaker 3: timeline of Betsy's last day alive. Notes covered tables inside

15:54 Speaker 3: the house and continued into patrol cars parked outside. Times

15:58 Speaker 3: were written down, crossed, then rewritten as investigators compared statements

16:03 Speaker 3: against phone records and witness interviews. The chemotherapy appointment sat

16:07 Speaker 3: near the center of everything because it established where Betsy

16:10 Speaker 3: had been earlier that day and who had been with her.

16:13 Speaker 3: Pam Hupp's name appeared repeatedly in the notes. Detectives confirmed

16:18 Speaker 3: that Pam had driven Betsy home after treatment. They also

16:22 Speaker 3: had the text message Betsy sent Russ that evening, Pam

16:25 Speaker 3: Hup wants to bring me home to bed. She offered

16:28 Speaker 3: and I accepted. One detective circled the time stamp beside

16:32 Speaker 3: the message, while another copied it into a separate report.

16:35 Speaker 3: Investigators also focused heavily on Russ's movements that evening. Detectives

16:40 Speaker 3: spoke again with the group of friends Russ said he

16:43 Speaker 3: had been with during the game night, comparing each account

16:46 Speaker 3: against the others to see whether the timelines matched. The

16:49 Speaker 3: interviews happened separately, different conversations, different officers, The same basic

16:55 Speaker 3: questions repeated over and over. What time did Russ arrive?

17:00 Speaker 3: What time did he leave? Did he leave at any

17:02 Speaker 3: point during the night. The friends described the gathering as routine,

17:06 Speaker 3: the same kind of night they'd held many times before, games, movies,

17:11 Speaker 3: food spread out on tables while people moved in and

17:13 Speaker 3: out of conversations. Over the course of the evening. Detectives

17:17 Speaker 3: wrote down each detail, carefully checking times against phone activity

17:21 Speaker 3: already being pulled into reports. Back at the house, investigators

17:25 Speaker 3: continued processing the living room around Betsy's body. Crime scene

17:29 Speaker 3: technicians worked methodically through the physical evidence. Blood stains across

17:34 Speaker 3: the carpet were photographed repeatedly before measurements were taken. The

17:37 Speaker 3: slippers marked earlier in the investigation remained part of the

17:41 Speaker 3: evidence being documented. Inside the living room, detectives moved slowly

17:45 Speaker 3: around the scene while technicians pointed out specific areas they

17:49 Speaker 3: wanted preserved in photographs before collection. One investigator crouched near

17:54 Speaker 3: the couch, reviewing images on the back of a digital camera,

17:57 Speaker 3: while another dictated observations quietly into a recorder. Knife still

18:02 Speaker 3: in place, blood saturation extending outward from the victim evidence

18:06 Speaker 3: marker's positioned near footwear nearby. Another technician carefully sealed collected

18:11 Speaker 3: items into evidence bags, while an officer logged each piece

18:15 Speaker 3: before it left the house. The living room lights stayed

18:18 Speaker 3: on the entire time. Detectives began interviewing Pam Hup in

18:22 Speaker 3: greater detail about her time with Betsy that day. Pam

18:26 Speaker 3: described driving Betsy home after chemotherapy and leaving afterward. She

18:30 Speaker 3: also repeated statements she already had made about Betsy's marriage,

18:34 Speaker 3: telling investigators Betsy had expressed fear of Russ and described

18:38 Speaker 3: him as verbally abusive. Detectives documented those statements carefully because

18:43 Speaker 3: they directly affected how the investigation was beginning to take shape.

18:47 Speaker 3: One investigator compared Pam's timeline against the text message Betsy

18:51 Speaker 3: had sent earlier that evening, while another reviewed notes from

18:54 Speaker 3: Russ's interview conducted overnight. Pam's account placed Betsy alive after

18:59 Speaker 3: returning home from treatment and before Russ left for game night.

19:03 Speaker 3: A detective underline part of that timeline in his notebook.

19:07 Speaker 3: As the investigation expanded beyond the house itself, officers started

19:11 Speaker 3: collecting additional records tied to Betsy and Russ's daily lives,

19:16 Speaker 3: phone records, financial information, contact lists. Detectives built timelines across

19:22 Speaker 3: legal pads and whiteboards while comparing witness statements against time

19:26 Speaker 3: stamps from calls and messages. Inside those conversations, the same

19:30 Speaker 3: names kept surfacing Russ, Pam, Betsy's friends, the game night group.

19:37 Speaker 3: One detective re visited Russ's statements from the night before

19:40 Speaker 3: and paused at the line where Russ described finding Betsy

19:44 Speaker 3: beside the couch. Another investigator nearby reviewed photographs from the

19:48 Speaker 3: scene while listening. In the living room, technicians were still

19:52 Speaker 3: working around the bloodstained carpet, while detectives continued building the

19:56 Speaker 3: first working theory of what happened inside the house. The

20:00 Speaker 3: detective assigned to Russ's interview had stopped writing for a

20:03 Speaker 3: while and started watching instead. Russ sat at the dining

20:07 Speaker 3: table under the kitchen light, with a bottle of water

20:10 Speaker 3: in front of him, cap off barely touched. Every so often,

20:14 Speaker 3: he rubbed his palms against his jeanes, again smearing what

20:17 Speaker 3: remained of the dried blood across the fabric near his knees.

20:21 Speaker 3: The house had gone quieter by then. Most of the

20:24 Speaker 3: patrol officers who had crowded the rooms earlier were outside

20:27 Speaker 3: or working elsewhere, leaving only the low murmur of investigators

20:31 Speaker 3: and the occasional burst of radio traffic drifting in from

20:35 Speaker 3: the front doorway. A detective flipped back a few pages

20:38 Speaker 3: in his note book. You said Betsy was resting when

20:42 Speaker 3: you left, Russ nodded once. What exactly do you mean

20:46 Speaker 3: by resting? She was tired from chemo, She was laying down.

20:51 Speaker 3: Did she say anything before you left? Russ looked down

20:54 Speaker 3: toward the table before answering, no, nothing unusual. The detective

21:00 Speaker 3: the silence, sit there for a few seconds before asking

21:03 Speaker 3: his next question. In the living room, investigators were still

21:06 Speaker 3: working around the body. One technician crouched beside the couch

21:10 Speaker 3: photographing small areas of carpet, while another stretched a measuring

21:14 Speaker 3: tape across portions of the floor near the blood stains.

21:17 Speaker 3: The camera flashes came slower, now spaced farther apart than before,

21:21 Speaker 3: each burst briefly whitening the walls and ceiling before the

21:25 Speaker 3: room settled back into a steady lamplight. The detective stood

21:28 Speaker 3: near the edge of the room, holding a stack of

21:30 Speaker 3: photographs already printed from earlier shots. He compared the images

21:35 Speaker 3: against the room in front of him, eyes moving between

21:37 Speaker 3: the blood stains, the couch cushions, the knife still protruding

21:41 Speaker 3: upward from Betsy's neck. Another investigator stepped carefully around an

21:45 Speaker 3: evidence marker and stopped beside him. What are you seeing?

21:49 Speaker 3: The detective lowered one of the photographs, slightly a lot

21:52 Speaker 3: of blood for a suicide. Neither man spoke for a

21:55 Speaker 3: few seconds while they kept looking at the room. Back

21:58 Speaker 3: at the dining table. Another detective had joined the interview.

22:01 Speaker 3: He carried a fresh notebook and a styrofoam cup of

22:04 Speaker 3: coffee that smelled burnt the second he set it down.

22:07 Speaker 3: He didn't sit immediately. Instead, he stood beside the table,

22:11 Speaker 3: looking over the earlier notes, while Russ waded across from him.

22:15 Speaker 3: You and your wife having problems, Russ exhiled through his nose,

22:18 Speaker 3: before answering, everybody has problems, and that's not what I asked.

22:23 Speaker 3: Russ shifted in the chair, glancing once toward the living

22:26 Speaker 3: room before looking back. We argued sometimes, how bad? Normal bad.

22:31 Speaker 3: The detective finally sat down, then flipping open the notebook slowly,

22:35 Speaker 3: while the other detective watched Russ overfolded arms. Outside, another

22:40 Speaker 3: set of headlights swept briefly across the kitchen window before

22:43 Speaker 3: fading away again. From deeper in the house came the

22:46 Speaker 3: sound of another evidence bag being sealed shut. Pam Hupp's

22:50 Speaker 3: earlier statements were already circulating among detectives inside the house.

22:55 Speaker 3: Printed notes from her interview sat clipped to a legal

22:58 Speaker 3: pad near the kitchen counter, while one another investigator re

23:00 Speaker 3: read portions allowed quietly to another. Betsy, afraid of Russ,

23:05 Speaker 3: Russ verbally abusive, Betsy worried about money. The investigator reading

23:10 Speaker 3: paused occasionally to underline lines with the cap of his pen,

23:13 Speaker 3: while the other detective listened across the room. Russ kept

23:17 Speaker 3: answering questions. When was the last time you? And Betsy argued,

23:21 Speaker 3: I don't know this week? Probably what about? Russ rubbed

23:26 Speaker 3: one hand against his forehead and stared at the table

23:28 Speaker 3: a second before answering, I don't remember, the detective wrote, anyway.

23:34 Speaker 3: Near the hallway entrance, an evidence technician walked past carrying

23:37 Speaker 3: several sealed bags, while another investigator photographed the slippers again.

23:42 Speaker 3: The longer the night went, the more the investigation settled

23:46 Speaker 3: around the assumption that the answers were already somewhere inside

23:50 Speaker 3: the house. Detectives moved slower, now, less urgency in their footsteps,

23:55 Speaker 3: more time spent standing still and studying details before speaking.

23:59 Speaker 3: Investigator remained near the couch almost continually, occasionally kneeling to

24:04 Speaker 3: examine something near the floor before standing again and quietly

24:08 Speaker 3: discussing it with the others near by at the dining table.

24:11 Speaker 3: The questioning narrowed further. Did Betsy ever threaten suicide? No?

24:17 Speaker 3: Did she seem depressed to night she was sick tired.

24:21 Speaker 3: The detective watched Russ carefully after each answer, waiting to

24:25 Speaker 3: see whether anything changed in his face, before moving on

24:28 Speaker 3: to the next question. In the living room, the knife

24:31 Speaker 3: still remained where investigators had first found it, surrounded now

24:35 Speaker 3: by evidence markers, camera equipment, and the dark stains spreading

24:39 Speaker 3: through the carpet beneath Betsy's body. Near dawn, the house

24:43 Speaker 3: had settled into that strange, exhausted quiet that crime scenes

24:47 Speaker 3: sometimes reach after everyone has been awake too long. Coffee

24:51 Speaker 3: cups sat half finished on counters and inn tables, jackets

24:55 Speaker 3: hung over chair backs. Detectives moved more slowly through the

24:59 Speaker 3: room now, not because the work had stopped, but because

25:02 Speaker 3: they were looking harder at smaller things. A camera flash

25:06 Speaker 3: still went off now and then from the living room,

25:08 Speaker 3: but long stretches passed in between, with only the sound

25:12 Speaker 3: of low voices and shoes crossing the floor carefully. At

25:16 Speaker 3: the dining table, one detective flipped through a stack of

25:19 Speaker 3: notes while another reviewed photographs spread out beside him. Russ

25:23 Speaker 3: remained in the same chair he'd been sitting in for hours.

25:26 Speaker 3: Shoulders slumped now, voice rougher Each time he answered another question,

25:31 Speaker 3: the detective tapped one of the photographs lightly with his pen.

25:35 Speaker 3: Walk me through exactly what you touched? Again. Russ leaned

25:39 Speaker 3: forward slightly in the chair, elbows near his knees, eyes

25:43 Speaker 3: fixed on the table while he answered, I touched her

25:46 Speaker 3: shoulder first with which hand my right? Then what I

25:51 Speaker 3: checked her neck? The detective kept writing steadily while another

25:55 Speaker 3: investigator nearby compared Russ's answers against earlier notes taken closer

25:59 Speaker 3: to me midnight. Every so often, one of them stopped

26:02 Speaker 3: to ask for clarification about where Russ had been standing

26:06 Speaker 3: or how close he'd gotten to the body before kneeling

26:09 Speaker 3: beside her. Across the room, investigators continued working around the

26:13 Speaker 3: living room floor. The blood had darkened further as it

26:17 Speaker 3: dried into the carpet fibers beneath Betsy. One technician crouched

26:21 Speaker 3: near the couch studying the edge of the stain, while

26:23 Speaker 3: another photographed sections of the room, now cleared of earlier equipment.

26:28 Speaker 3: The knife still remained in place while they documented the

26:31 Speaker 3: final details around the body. Pam Hupp's statements kept resurfacing

26:37 Speaker 3: throughout the night's conversations between detectives. Printed interview summaries had

26:41 Speaker 3: been copied, highlighted, and passed from one investigator to another.

26:45 Speaker 3: As the hours wore on. One detective stood near the

26:49 Speaker 3: kitchen counter, re reading portions quietly under his breath, while

26:52 Speaker 3: another leaned beside him, listening. She said Betsy was afraid

26:56 Speaker 3: of him. She also said Betsy talked about money. The

27:00 Speaker 3: second detective took the papers and scanned them himself while

27:04 Speaker 3: looking toward the dining room, where Russ still sat answering questions.

27:08 Speaker 3: Near By, another investigator reviewed the text message Betsy had

27:12 Speaker 3: sent earlier that evening about Pam bringing her home to

27:15 Speaker 3: bed after treatment. The time stamp beside the message had

27:18 Speaker 3: been circled several times in dark ink. From outside, came

27:22 Speaker 3: the muffled sound of another patrol car door shutting. Inside

27:26 Speaker 3: the living room, investigators had finally begun preparing for the

27:29 Speaker 3: removal of Betsy's body. Before anything changed, more photographs were

27:34 Speaker 3: taken from multiple angles around the couch and surrounding floor.

27:37 Speaker 3: One detective stood with folded arms near the hallway entrance,

27:41 Speaker 3: watching silently while technicians documented the knife, the blood patterns,

27:45 Speaker 3: and the position of Betsy's body. One final time before

27:49 Speaker 3: movement disturbed the scene. The room looked crowded with evidence markers.

27:53 Speaker 3: By then, a technician near the couch spoke quietly to

27:57 Speaker 3: another investigator, careful around the right side. The second investigator

28:02 Speaker 3: adjusted his footing, immediately stepping around the edge of the

28:05 Speaker 3: blood stain while carrying additional evidence bags toward the dining area.

28:09 Speaker 3: Camera flashes reflected briefly across the living room windows each

28:13 Speaker 3: time another photograph was taken at the table. Russ looked

28:17 Speaker 3: up when the flashes went off, then lowered his eyes again.

28:21 Speaker 3: The detectives questioning Russ had narrowed almost completely on to timing.

28:25 Speaker 3: By then, they revisited the sequence repeatedly. Chemotherapy, appointment, Pam

28:30 Speaker 3: driving Betsy home, Russ leaving for game night, Russ returning

28:35 Speaker 3: to the house. The same names and times moved in

28:38 Speaker 3: circles across pages of notes spread over the dining table.

28:42 Speaker 3: One detective pointed at the notebook in front of him.

28:45 Speaker 3: You're sure nobody else had a key to the house,

28:48 Speaker 3: Russ answered, quietly, not that I know of. The detective

28:52 Speaker 3: wrote that down, then immediately followed with another question. When

28:55 Speaker 3: you came into night, was anything missing? No? Anything out

28:59 Speaker 3: of plate? Russ paused longer, this time staring toward the

29:03 Speaker 3: living room before answering, I I wasn't looking at the room.

29:07 Speaker 3: I saw Betsy. From the other side of the house.

29:10 Speaker 3: Came the sound of investigators beginning the careful process of

29:14 Speaker 3: moving evidence out toward waiting vehicles, as daylight slowly started

29:18 Speaker 3: appearing through the windows near the kitchen. By morning, detectives

29:22 Speaker 3: had moved beyond the first wave of emergency response and

29:25 Speaker 3: into the slower work of deciding what kind of case

29:28 Speaker 3: they believed they were Standing inside, the house looked different

29:32 Speaker 3: in daylight. The flashing patrol lights that had washed across

29:35 Speaker 3: the walls overnight were gone, now replaced by gray morning

29:39 Speaker 3: light coming through the windows and falling across the same rooms.

29:43 Speaker 3: Investigators had spent hours walking through evidence. Tapes still crossed

29:47 Speaker 3: portions of the living room, while technicians carried equipment in

29:51 Speaker 3: and out through the front door. One detective stood near

29:54 Speaker 3: the kitchen counter flipping through photographs taken over night, while

29:57 Speaker 3: another reviewed interview notes beside him. The pages were already

30:01 Speaker 3: crowded with names, times, arrows, underlined phrases. Russ sat at

30:07 Speaker 3: the dining table again while detectives resumed questioning him. After

30:10 Speaker 3: only a short break when you left for game night?

30:13 Speaker 3: Was Betsy already in bed? No resting on the couch?

30:18 Speaker 3: I think so, the detective wrote something down immediately. The

30:22 Speaker 3: living room had become the center of nearly everything investigator's discussed.

30:26 Speaker 3: Detectives drifted back toward it repeatedly, even while talking elsewhere

30:30 Speaker 3: in the house, Standing near the couch and quietly comparing

30:33 Speaker 3: observations with each other, one investigator crouched beside the carpet

30:37 Speaker 3: studying photographs, while another looked directly at the room itself,

30:41 Speaker 3: comparing the images against the physical scene in front of him.

30:45 Speaker 3: The knife had finally been removed by then and logged

30:47 Speaker 3: into evidence, but the outline of the scene remained unchanged

30:51 Speaker 3: around the couch. Dark blood stains still spread through the

30:54 Speaker 3: carpet fibers beneath where Betsy's body had been. A detective

30:57 Speaker 3: near the hallway spoke quietly to another investigator, you think

31:01 Speaker 3: in homicide. The second detective didn't answer immediately. He kept

31:05 Speaker 3: looking at the room a few seconds longer before speaking,

31:09 Speaker 3: I'm thinking this doesn't look right. Neither detective raised his

31:13 Speaker 3: voice above conversation level. Investigators continued tightening the timeline surrounding

31:18 Speaker 3: Russ's evening with his friends. Detectives re interviewed members of

31:22 Speaker 3: the game night group separately, comparing details about arrival times,

31:26 Speaker 3: movies watched, food ordered, and when Russ had finally left

31:30 Speaker 3: for home. Legal pads filled with overlapping timelines sat spread

31:34 Speaker 3: across the dining room table while officers checked phone records

31:38 Speaker 3: against the statements being collected. One detective, reading through the notes,

31:42 Speaker 3: paused near a line and tapped it with his pen.

31:44 Speaker 3: He says Russ was there basically the whole night. Another

31:48 Speaker 3: investigator looked over his shoulder, what about gaps? Nothing obvious yet.

31:53 Speaker 3: The detective circled one of the listed times while another

31:56 Speaker 3: officer nearby worked through outgoing calls connected to the group

32:00 Speaker 3: from earlier that evening. The smell of stale coffee and

32:03 Speaker 3: damp winter air lingered through the house while investigators moved

32:07 Speaker 3: slowly between conversations. Near the front door, an evidence technician

32:12 Speaker 3: carried another sealed container out toward a waiting vehicle. Pam

32:16 Speaker 3: Hupp remained central to the timeline investigators were building. Detectives

32:21 Speaker 3: reviewed her statements repeatedly because she was one of the

32:24 Speaker 3: last known people to see Betsy alive. Her account placed

32:28 Speaker 3: her driving Betsy home after chemotherapy, helping her get settled,

32:32 Speaker 3: and leaving before Russ departed for game night. Investigators compared

32:36 Speaker 3: her timeline against phone records, text messages, and Russ's own

32:40 Speaker 3: statements from the night before. One detective re read Betsy's

32:44 Speaker 3: text message aloud while another checked the time stamp beside it.

32:48 Speaker 3: Pam hup wants to bring me home to bed, she offered,

32:51 Speaker 3: and I accepted. The detective holding the phone records, underline

32:55 Speaker 3: the time with a pen and puts Pam there after

32:58 Speaker 3: treatment and before four Russ leaves near by. Another investigator

33:03 Speaker 3: reviewed Pam's statements about Betsy being afraid of Russ, while

33:07 Speaker 3: quietly adding notes into the margin of the report. The

33:10 Speaker 3: more detectives worked the scene, the more their attention stayed

33:14 Speaker 3: fixed on the possibility that the answers were already inside

33:17 Speaker 3: the house somewhere. Investigators revisited the slippers with blood on them.

33:22 Speaker 3: They reviewed photographs of the bloodstains around the couch. They

33:26 Speaker 3: compared Russ's movements inside the house against the positions documented

33:30 Speaker 3: by crime scene technicians overnight. One detective sat across from

33:34 Speaker 3: Russ again later that morning while flipping through the growing

33:37 Speaker 3: stack of reports. You understand why we keep asking the

33:41 Speaker 3: same questions, Russ nodded tiredly, Yeah, I understand. The detective

33:47 Speaker 3: leaned back slightly in the chair. Right now, we're trying

33:51 Speaker 3: to figure out exactly what happened in this room. Behind him,

33:56 Speaker 3: another investigator carried a fresh stack of printed crimes i'me.

34:00 Speaker 3: Scene photographs into the kitchen, while daylight continued spreading through

34:04 Speaker 3: the house, where detectives had now spent the entire night

34:07 Speaker 3: working around Betsy's death. As the morning wore on, investigators

34:12 Speaker 3: started narrowing their attention toward details they believed supported a

34:16 Speaker 3: violent confrontation inside the house. Detectives moved slowly through the

34:21 Speaker 3: living room, again, stopping near the couch, then stepping back

34:24 Speaker 3: to study the room from wider angles before returning to

34:28 Speaker 3: the same spots. One investigator held a stack of scene photographs,

34:32 Speaker 3: while another pointed towards sections of blood stained carpet near

34:35 Speaker 3: the edge of the living room. Look at the spread here.

34:39 Speaker 3: The second detective crouched lower, studying the stain pattern, before

34:43 Speaker 3: answering quietly, doesn't stay contained from the dining area. Russ

34:48 Speaker 3: watched investigators move around the room, while another detective continued

34:52 Speaker 3: writing notes beside him. The repeated interviews with Russ had

34:56 Speaker 3: started producing pages of overlapping statements. By then, detectives compared

35:01 Speaker 3: earlier answers against newer ones line by line, occasionally circling

35:06 Speaker 3: details or writing short notes in the margins besides specific times.

35:10 Speaker 3: One investigator flipped through several pages before stopping near the

35:14 Speaker 3: middle of the stack. You said earlier that you called

35:18 Speaker 3: for Betsy twice before seeing her, Russ, not at once.

35:22 Speaker 3: I think so, You think so? Or you did? Russ

35:26 Speaker 3: rubbed his forehead before answering I did. The detective wrote

35:30 Speaker 3: something down while another investigator across the room reviewed photographs

35:34 Speaker 3: from the scene. At the same time, every answer Russ

35:37 Speaker 3: gave now was being matched against earlier notes, time stamps,

35:41 Speaker 3: and physical evidence collected inside the house. The questioning stayed calm,

35:45 Speaker 3: but the pauses between questions had grown longer. Detectives also

35:50 Speaker 3: continued re visiting Pam Hupp's statements throughout the day. Printed

35:54 Speaker 3: summaries from her interviews remained spread across portions of the

35:57 Speaker 3: dining table, beside photographs, records, and handwritten timelines. One investigator

36:03 Speaker 3: re read sections describing Betsy's fear of Russ, while another

36:07 Speaker 3: reviewed notes tied to the insurance policy discussions Pam claimed

36:11 Speaker 3: Betsy had mentioned during her treatment appointments. A detective near

36:15 Speaker 3: the kitchen quietly said, she's giving us motive. Another investigator

36:20 Speaker 3: looked back toward Russ before answering, or she thinks she is.

36:25 Speaker 3: The first detective didn't respond right away. He continued scanning

36:28 Speaker 3: the pages in front of him, while the second detective

36:31 Speaker 3: picked up Betsy's text message again and re read the

36:34 Speaker 3: line about Pam bringing her home after treatment. Outside, daylight

36:39 Speaker 3: had fully replaced the flashing patrol lights from earlier in

36:42 Speaker 3: the night. Inside the living room, investigators had started removing

36:47 Speaker 3: larger pieces of evidence from the scene. Technicians carried sealed

36:51 Speaker 3: containers through the house one at a time, while detectives

36:54 Speaker 3: documented where each item had originally been found before it

36:57 Speaker 3: left the room. The couch remained in place, surrounded by

37:01 Speaker 3: evidence markers and sections of blood stained carpet that investigators

37:05 Speaker 3: continued photographing before collection. One technician knelt near the floor,

37:10 Speaker 3: trimming sections of carpet around specific stains, while another carefully

37:14 Speaker 3: labeled bags at a folding table set up near the hallway.

37:17 Speaker 3: The room smelled sharply of cleaning chemicals, latex gloves, stale air,

37:22 Speaker 3: and dried blood. A detective standing near the couch glanced

37:26 Speaker 3: toward another investigator and said, quietly, this wasn't quick. The

37:31 Speaker 3: other detective kept his eyes on the floor while answering no.

37:35 Speaker 3: Camera shutters continued clicking through the room while technicians worked.

37:39 Speaker 3: By later that afternoon, the investigation had begun shifting from

37:43 Speaker 3: simple scene processing into theory. Building Detectives gathered around dining tables, counters,

37:48 Speaker 3: and the hood of patrol cars outside, comparing notes from interviews,

37:52 Speaker 3: evidence collection timelines, and phone records. Russ's account remained central

37:57 Speaker 3: to nearly every conversation because he had discovered the body

38:01 Speaker 3: lived in the house and had been gone during the

38:04 Speaker 3: estimated window. Investigators were trying to define. One detective reviewing

38:09 Speaker 3: notes finally closed the folder in front of him and

38:12 Speaker 3: looked toward another investigator nearby. You think he's lying. The

38:16 Speaker 3: other detective crossed his arms before answering, I think we

38:20 Speaker 3: keep digging. Inside the house, investigators were still moving carefully

38:24 Speaker 3: through the living room, photographing the last remaining sections of

38:28 Speaker 3: the scene, while the evidence gathered during the night and

38:31 Speaker 3: morning continued leaving the house peace by peace. By late afternoon,

38:36 Speaker 3: the investigation inside the house had started settling into something

38:40 Speaker 3: more focused. Earlier in the day, the rooms had been

38:43 Speaker 3: crowded with patrol officers, paramedics, and people moving quickly from

38:47 Speaker 3: one task to another. The urgency had burned off hours ago.

38:51 Speaker 3: Now the movement inside the house looked slower and more deliberate.

38:55 Speaker 3: Detectives stood still longer before speaking. Investigators returned repeatedly to

39:00 Speaker 3: the same sections of the living room floor, crouching beside

39:03 Speaker 3: stains they had already photographed twice before. Notes had spread

39:07 Speaker 3: across the dining table in loose stacks, crime scene photographs,

39:11 Speaker 3: interview summaries, phone logs, legal pads, filled with timelines written

39:16 Speaker 3: and re written. As the day progressed, Russ remained at

39:19 Speaker 3: the dining table while investigators continued working around him. He

39:24 Speaker 3: looked exhausted by then. His shoulders sagged lower into the

39:27 Speaker 3: chair than they had earlier in the morning, and the

39:30 Speaker 3: answers he gave detectives came more slowly, now separated by

39:34 Speaker 3: longer pauses. The dried blood still visible near his hands

39:38 Speaker 3: had darkened against the skin over the course of the day,

39:42 Speaker 3: As the afternoon continued, fewer discussions inside the house revolved

39:46 Speaker 3: around whether Betsy had been killed. Most of the conversation

39:49 Speaker 3: had already moved beyond that point. Detectives were now comparing timelines, behaviors,

39:55 Speaker 3: blood evidence, and witness statements against the growing theory taking

39:58 Speaker 3: shape inside the house. The shift had happened gradually, rather

40:02 Speaker 3: than all at once. The longer investigators stayed inside the house,

40:06 Speaker 3: the more attention they paid to Russ himself. While he

40:09 Speaker 3: sat under questioning, detectives compared his movements against the physical

40:13 Speaker 3: layout of the scene repeatedly throughout the afternoon. One investigator

40:18 Speaker 3: reviewed photographs showing the blood on Russ's clothing, while another

40:21 Speaker 3: worked through the timeline surrounding the nine one one call

40:25 Speaker 3: and Russ's description of finding Betsy beside the couch. Russ

40:29 Speaker 3: occasionally looked toward the living room whenever investigators crossed through

40:33 Speaker 3: it carrying evidence or photographs. At times, he sat completely

40:37 Speaker 3: still for long stretches, hands clasped together near the edge

40:41 Speaker 3: of the table, while detectives quietly compared notes near by

40:45 Speaker 3: without including him in the conversation. The atmosphere inside the

40:49 Speaker 3: house had changed from active emergency response into something narrower

40:54 Speaker 3: and heavier. Detectives no longer moved like people searching blindly

40:58 Speaker 3: through possibilities. Their questions had become more specific, their conversation shorter.

41:04 Speaker 3: More time passed in silence while they reviewed reports and

41:07 Speaker 3: studied photographs already collected from the scene. Outside. Daylight had

41:12 Speaker 3: started fading from the neighborhood again. At the dining table,

41:16 Speaker 3: Russ sat largely alone now while detectives moved in and

41:19 Speaker 3: out of the kitchen carrying files and photographs. Conversations around

41:24 Speaker 3: him had changed tone over the course of the day.

41:26 Speaker 3: Earlier discussions had focused on understanding the scene. By evening,

41:31 Speaker 3: most of the investigators inside the house sounded like people

41:34 Speaker 3: trying to organize evidence around a conclusion they believed they

41:38 Speaker 3: had already reached. Outside. Patrol car lights flashed silently across

41:43 Speaker 3: the windows while the investigation continued building around Russ inside

41:47 Speaker 3: the house. One detective finally gathered the growing stack of

41:51 Speaker 3: reports from the dining table and carried them into the kitchen,

41:54 Speaker 3: where several investigators had been quietly comparing notes for most

41:58 Speaker 3: of the evening. The room had gone nearly silent except

42:01 Speaker 3: for pages turning, camera equipment being packed away in the

42:05 Speaker 3: low crackle of radio traffic drifting in from outside. Russ

42:10 Speaker 3: remained seated alone at the table while the detectives stood

42:13 Speaker 3: together only a few feet away. Photographs and timelines spread

42:17 Speaker 3: between cups of cold coffee, and legal pads filled edge

42:21 Speaker 3: to edge with notes. Nobody in the kitchen sounded uncertain anymore.

42:27 Speaker 3: One detective tapped a photograph from the living room with

42:30 Speaker 3: the end of his pen. Another flipped open a notebook

42:33 Speaker 3: and re read part of Pam Hupp's statement. A third

42:36 Speaker 3: investigator compared time stamps from phone records against the timeline

42:40 Speaker 3: they'd spent the last several hours rebuilding piece by piece

42:43 Speaker 3: inside the house. One of the detectives looked back toward Russ,

42:47 Speaker 3: sitting alone at the table, and quietly said, we need

42:50 Speaker 3: to lock this down before he lawyers up. Nobody in

42:53 Speaker 3: the room disagreed. Outside, the patrol lights continued flashing across

42:58 Speaker 3: the windows, while detectives inside the house began discussing the

43:02 Speaker 3: next steps and building a murder case against Russ Faria

43:06 Speaker 3: and we'll stop there. Please join me next week Wednesday,

43:10 Speaker 3: May thirteenth, for Part three of Kind of Murdery's investigation

43:14 Speaker 3: of the murder of Betsy Faria, and also an update

43:17 Speaker 3: on Cassandra NIOSH's new murder mystery set in San Diego,

43:22 Speaker 3: A little Bit Bad. I'm Zevan Oldberg and this has

43:26 Speaker 3: been kind of Murdery.

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