Wizards of Death with Anson Maddocks (Magic the Gathering Artist) - PART THREE
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now. I turned around and I'm apologizing to the other people that are watching
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just like white and petrified. And one of my friends says, oh,
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Evan Odelberg, and this is kind of Murdering. I'm back again,
coming to you from snowy Tahoe. There was a howler of a blizzard on
Tuesday that dropped sixteen inches of snow and shut down the resorts and roads.
Fingers cross Those roads will be open today so I can head for Palm Springs
and meet the spawners at their risk. I'm optimistic they will be. But
back to talking about the snowstorm. I woke up to the sound of avalanche
bombs shaking the house when I got up early to edit on Wednesday morning.
Hey, and this is cool, especially if you're a history geek like me.
But Kirkwood actually has a functioning World War two howitzer, which is essentially
an anti tank cannon that they fire at the cirk Ridge that's the highest ridge
above the resort to knock dangerous, unstable snow overhangs down before the public arrives.
That's right, they shell the mountain with an honest to god howitzer,
all in the name of your safety. And if that's not kind of murdery,
well then I don't know what is. All right, Time to focus
here. I'm in my Mobo podcast studio again, complete with duct tape mikes
and a stack of DVDs and books to ensure the mic is tall enough to
talk into. If you're curious about exactly what's in that stack, well,
even if you're not curious, I'm going to tell you anyway. The foundation
is a double O seven specter blu ray, followed by three John Chippellina,
a legendary ice pick in your temple rock and roll guitarist John Chippolina DVDs topped
off by the Oxford American Dictionary. That's my microphone extension plans. So there
you go. And as you're likely aware, I'm back from my third visit
with Original Magic, the Gathering Artist Icon and icon a class antsinematics. This
is part three of Wizards of Death, the True Story of Russia's Magic Murders.
And that's right, I said, part three. So if you haven't
heard parts one and two yet, go back and listen to them and then
rejoin us. We'll save you a seat. If you're all caught up,
well then I'm just going to jump right in. We'll be rewinding just a
bit entering the conversation. In the midst of the story of Gostia the Wizard
is Anson and I are discussing the fact that Russians have an enduring belief even
to the present day, in the reality and efficacy of wizards, witches and
witchcraft. And from there we intend to uncover what truths we can and solve
what mysteries we may. And Anson brings us a true kind of murdery story
from his own life. Wizards of Death. The True Story of Russia's Magic
Murders with Ansonmatics. Part three starts now, it was common, especially around
the turn of the century, for Russians to go to explicitly titled and in
fact licensed by the state witches. Being a witch doctor was an actual,
officially recognized profession, and you had to pay the government for license to do
it. So the point here being that as wild as this all sounds,
there's actually a really long, even ancient, cultural tradition of believing in these
sorts of mystics and in the efficacy of what they do, which adds a
little bit of understanding to why this guy was so successful. People weren't just
dumb. It's like, this is something you do in Russia. It's hard
to argue as something your grandma that told you since you're a kid. Right,
That's why a lot of these a lot of these beliefs are very persistent.
Yeah, and if every other person believes in it, then, you
know, makes it harder to get away. Yeah, that's true. And
that's also why it's so darned difficult to stamp out, you know, intolerant
or bigoted beliefs that we all may sort of know are well passed their time
and odious. But as you're alluding to, when when generations of people espoused
them, or when they're espoused by somebody you love deeply, even if that
particular belief is wrong, it can be hard to condemn a person you love,
which can make it difficult as well to pull yourself away from a belief
that you may find distasteful. Speaking generally, right, you know, it's
hard to walk away from something when you're defending one of your loved ones,
you know, right, the things that they believe in, and somebody else
is like bashing it. You think you can be torn in that moment,
right, So here we go back to it long history of this stuff in
Russia, whether whether it's fortune telling, mirrors or bringing back dead people from
the grave. In modern Russia, the belief of the power of the wizard
lives on every Kiosk sells newspapers publishing long lists of advertisements for masters of magic
who promise to fix a person's success in love, sexual life, or business
masters of magic. Huh. I'm not sure in the context of magic the
gathering, although I play a lot of it myself, I don't think a
master of magic would be the person I would necessarily go to first to fix
my love or sexual life. Just just going to throw that out there.
Oh boy, I'm not going to say anything. So such alternative healers and
magic thrive in the country where only fifteen percent of the population trusts the state
medical system. This is according to the Levada Center survey, and where many
citizens remain suspicious of the merits of modern medicine. So there's maybe a political
consequence thing happening here too, where in a country where the government is so
repressive and controlling, because the modern medical system is run by the repressive state,
people are much less likely to trust a traditional doctor, which makes them,
in sort of a zero sum game sense, more likely to trust these
charlatan wizards. So there's your context. So, despite his lab lifestyle,
Matt Erosion's greed got the better of him and he devised a scheme to earn
cash even quicker. Here it was he would befriend a future victim and use
his charm to convince them to transfer all of their funds into cash, bag
the cash and go to him, where the two would ostensibly travel to a
grandmother living three hundred kilometers away from Moscow. Goosha would claim that they would
amass numerous riches via his magical powers. So what his scam was that these
people bought into was take all the money you have, bring it to me,
and I will, essentially, like tribbles, cause your money to physically
multiply alongside my grandmother right there in front of your face, which just sounds
super wacky. But people buy into all kinds of stuff. I guess this
kind of sounds like church too. I will bless your cash and you will
have more cash. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what is it a seed
or something? Yeah? Yeah, yeah right. Oh man, yeah,
I'm sorry, Please go on, it's true. It's I mean, I
don't want to get too far afield that people are of I respect everyone's beliefs,
but you do you have a point there. Oh, I would be
remissed. Now. You mentioned you went to the magazine store sometimes to look
for visual inspiration. So what what were some magazines that you found some visual
inspiration in? Uh, the French photo magazines. I had a lot of
those. They were just the high contrast going between you know, sexy images
to kind of shocking images. It was kind of pulpy reference material. Got
it. Can you give me any actual titles? Oh? Any of the
magazines? Do you recall any of them? French Photo is Oh, well,
I don't think it's French Photo. It's just it's It's photo magazine,
and it's the French version of it is a lot different than the American version.
Got it. Very difference between heavy metal and metal her so it was
heavy metal. Another one that you would sometimes look at it. I remember
those very well too. Yeah, I was collecting those since I was nine
years old. Wow. Yeah, as long as it wasn't too violent.
My mom was pretty okay with me absorbing media. Much less concerned about violence
than sex. My parents too, exactly exactly, you know, going back
to your mom didn't let you watch mister Rogers because she didn't want you to
trust strangers, of which is which is an amazing call. It totally makes
sense. He's sort of humorous in light of what a sort of cultural luminary
mister Rogers has become all these years later. But just the other day,
I was out with my daughter Daisy, who's eleven, and she told she
tells me a joke and she goes dad. She says, what's a kidnappers?
Favorite shoes. You want to guess what a kidnappers favorite shoes are?
Oh, I don't know, white vans. Oh god, Oh, Brenda
is gonna love that. My wife has the most horrific jokes. Oh yeah.
I was like, well, you know, I guess, honey.
I'm glad that you are aware of that. That's that's sort of the direction
I went with that. I was reminded of that when you mentioned your mom.
Oh yeah, my opinion of mister Rogers is better than it was.
Then, Yeah, all right, that it's been decided. We like mister
Rogers just the way he is dead and buried. I kid of course,
Fred Rogers is basically a saint. And speaking of saints, let's dive back
into the story of our sinner. Huh. We returned to Geosha the Wizard.
So the first victim potential victim that he chooses is a married businesswoman named
Olga r. But to his surprise, he accidentally picked a cannier woman than
he thought, and she caught onto his blood and cut off all contact with
him. So he thought to himself, well, this plan doesn't really seem
to be working. So he got rid of the money and grandmother part of
the plan and instead offered to perform magic rituals in his client's homes. Matt
Erosan's first alleged victim was twenty three year old Natalia Trepezenakova, a beauty queen
an aspiring model who arrived in Moscow from Nizve Novagord looking for love and success.
She used to thumb through photos of rich bankers in Russian Forbes, dreaming
that one of them would marry her. One day. She saved money for
a business startup, her friends said, but then she apparently fell in with
Gsha the Wizard due to an injury she'd suffered as a teenager while rowing,
Natalia suffered from spinal discarniation, which caused her pain and discomfort while walking in
heels and on the catwalk. During her last visit home, Natalia reportedly told
her parents that a Moscow magician named Ghosha had advised her and here we go
this is similar to the original scheme, had advised her to withdraw all the
cash she had in her bank accounts to give to him so that he could
charge the money with energy meant to multiply her fortunes. Her father, Valerie,
protested against the strange affair, but his daughter apparently did not listen to
them. He said, Natalia like round figures. She said she had one
million rubles, which is more or was at the time more than thirty thousand
dollars. After being taken in by Ghostia's claims of spiritual healing. Several years
before, he'd managed to convince her to cut off contact with her boyfriend and
convince her that a friend from the modeling agency had attempted to poison her.
So, just like a cult leader again, he's isolating her from the good
influences in her life and convincing her that they're bad influences. So he got
her to cut off contact with the people who might protect her, and,
knowing that she fully believed in everything he said, he came up with this
give me your thirty thousand dollars scheme. On September twenty first, twenty eleven,
she arrives in Moscow and sits waiting for him in her apartment. At
some point during the night, he arrives and enters and offers to make drinks
for them. Then he went to the kitchen and got a glass of alcohol,
which he laced with a mixture of heroin and methanone. Not long after
drinking it, Natalia passes out, and Ghosha injects her with a syringe containing
more heroin before disposing of it and giving her another clean one in an attempt
to simulate an overdose. However, either by miscalculation or by underestimating the strength
of Natalia, she didn't die, but simply remained unconscious. Anxious that his
plan wasn't working, this guy takes her to the bathroom and drowns her.
Then he pours out some food for her dog, grabs the cash in the
kitchen and some extra jewelry, and leaves. The following morning, Natalia's parents
have been calling her and she's not obviously answering or returning her calls, so
they call mat Erosion. Actually they write too mat Erosion through a friend,
a mutual friend that knew both of them and asked what happened to Natalia and
Goosha the wizard. Matt Erosion claimed that he hadn't seen her in four days
and that she was on vacation in Georgia. Alarmed, her parents travel to
Moscow, and upon arrival they noticed that the light has been left on in
her apartment. They contact the landlady, who opens the door and finds Natalia
dead in the bathtub. So, apparently because of that herniated disc back injury
that I had referred to earlier, Natalia did have something of a history with
painkilling drugs, and so even her parents initially suspect that she may in fact
have overdosed, But then they start to wonder if something else might have occurred
because the syringe, ultimately the police tell them, lacked any fingerprints and it
appeared to have been scrubbed precisely as though somebody had made a great effort to
erase the evidence of another party, which we know somebody did Ghosha the Wizard.
But despite these suspicions, no official criminal investigation and was initiated. Well
four months later, two more of Matt Erosion's patients were found dead under similar
circumstances. Through his contact with models, he came across twenty one year old
Maria and thirty eight year old Natalia, same name as the first victim,
Natalia argre Covey, a mother and daughter from Krasnodar, Man. This is
like, I am having a tough time with all these like originally cyrillic transcribed
into English names by apologies. I feel like feel like a rank amateur here,
but a lot of consonants. Yeah, come on, Russians, make
it easier for me. You don't have anything else more important going on right
now, do you? All right? So he kills a mother and daughter,
same deal. They're found dead in their apartments, apparently from overdose.
Each of them had more than twenty times as much heroin in their bodies as
the first Natalia, So clearly Ghosha thought, gosh, I almost didn't use
enough on the first lady, so he just really went forward on the second
too, and they're found in the same way. He then moves on again,
and he is believed to, although not convicted of, he is believed
to have been involved in the disappearance of a fourth woman named Ena Filipova,
a thirty one year old businesswoman from the same town who was a longtime client
of his, who on December twenty nine, twenty eleven, was last seen
carrying all of her savings with her and was en route to Ghosha's apartment.
Her body has never been found. While examining the Argakov's apartment. This is
the mother and daughter pair of victims, investigators noticed something peculiar in the ashtray.
Next to the light cigarettes that Natalia was known to smoke. They found
standard ones with teeth imprints of an unidentified male. After investigating their friends and
their phone call histories, they were eventually led to Matt Erosion. Coincidentally,
perhaps he smoked the same type of cigarettes which were all so found in the
first Natalia Natalia trappns Cova's ash tray. So this guy, who had been
so careful about some things, left his teeth bitten cigarettes in the ashtrays of
all of his victims. That don't seem so smart. Not as bad as
Ted Bundy, though he left his teeth prints on one of his victims at
least, Yeah, that's considering that so many people are identified by dental records.
That does seem pretty foolish for a purportedly genius level intellect, that's for
sure, exactly So, Yeah, so he left his bitten cigarettes in the
ash trays of all of his victims. Gosha, with the cigarette connection,
was arrested and his house was searched, at which point the authorities found six
point six kilos of heroin on the premises I have a question, instead of
murdering all these women and taking their life avings, how about just sell six
point six kilo's a heroine that's worth some money. I mean, did he
get him it? Obviously? It obviously wasn't just about the money, obviously.
I mean I was gonna say, did he even get enough money from
his victims to pay for all the heroin he bought to kill them? You
know, it might your your sentence for selling heroine and Russia might be worse
than model murder. Yeah, thinking of selling heroin and Russia. Don't just
murder models? Yeah yeah, yeah, all right. They find all that
heroine, at which point he admits to being in the first victim's apartment,
but he claims that she had gotten drunk dun cocaine and then had oral sex
with him before she undressed and went to the bathroom, and then he felt
grossed out by it all, packed his stuff and left. That's what That
was his version of that story. But the police, who initially had failed
to check the security footage, which is bizarre, checked it now and discovered
that you could clearly see Ghosha leaving the apartment carrying with him some kind of
heavy package, at which point they now had enough evidence to charge him with
the murders when you combine the security footage with the heroine, as well as
the decorations and cards which I hadn't mentioned yet, But they found a bunch
of knickknacks that had belonged to his second set of mother and daughter victims in
his home. But originally it had taken more than a year for the police
to investigate the first murder. The chairman of the Security Committee of the State
Parliament in Russia, a man named Alexander, said that quote there are as
many Charlatans among policemen as among magicians. That seems like a quote for a
bumper sticker or a T shirt. And if it weren't for Kenstein's involvement,
Goosha the Wizard might still be luring beautiful women to his services. But the
chairman of the Security Committee, upon hearing the pleas of Natalia the first Natalia's
parents, pushed the police to look into the killing. They discovered, As
I said, the security footage and which also included not only mat Erosion but
traps Nakova herself entering matt Erosion's building with a plastic bag in her hand.
And this is the kicker. The footage of matt erosion of Gosha the Wizard
leaving a couple hours later, and he's carrying the same plastic bag that she
entered with. It was only after police compared the CCTV footage from all the
crime scenes that they realized each time the same man was seen entering and leaving
the apartment buildings with a sports bag in three different regions of Moscow. So
there you go. Once they actually bothered to look at the apartment security footage
of each of the murder victims, very was coming and going with the same
bag under his arm each time. So it wasn't It wasn't It took Sherlock
Holmes or Hercule Powow or whoever the Russian version of that would be to solve
this case. It was like, just just try at all, please try
at all, and look what happens. So as for a ghost of the
Wizard, he went with the old shaggy boombostic excuse, which is, you
know, the Sai banging on the counter. It wasn't me. He went
with, yeah, it looks like me, but it's not me. That
that was his answer even though I had a lot of people are trying to
steal my style. Man, Yeah, bad people are biting my look exactly,
set off my coat tails. Yeah. Despite the fact that there was
all this evidence that he knew all these women and that he had their possessions
in his house, and his cigarette butts at their houses, and himself on
the camera coming and going in all three different places, he was like,
yeah, you know, it's just my doppelganger, just just my twin.
I was so framed. Yeah. So at his trial, Matt Erosion vehemently
denied his guilt and often insulted everybody present in the courtroom, including the judge
himself. Sounds like a good strategy. When interviewed by the press, he
claimed that the deaths were accidental overdoses and that he should be acquitted. As
for the various interrogations and the things that he did admit, he claims he
was tortured by the police who electrocuted him, according to him, and I
didn't allow him to eat for two days. He additionally alleged that they planted
the drugs at his home. I wouldn't say it's impossible that police plant drugs.
On the flip side, considering these were cases that they didn't even investigate
and didn't even want to investigate, it seems pretty unlikely that when they finally
got around to it only at the repeated urgings of a member of parliament that
they then showed up with six and a half kilos a harrowinto plant. Like
what are the cops showing up with? Like a roller bag from the airport
being like doc, doc? Could we come in? Yeah, what's in
the luggage? Oh? Nothing? Could I use your bathroom? Like,
oh, come on, give me a break. So on April twenty,
twenty fourteen, the Moscow court found Matt Erosion guilty of the three murders,
of robbery and of drug trafficking and sentenced him to twenty three years imprisonment,
in addition to requiring him to pay twenty three million rubles in damages to the
victims families, noticeably about twenty five percent less than the number of rubles that
he stole from the first Natalia. That seems like kind of a light sentence.
Three murders, robbery and heroin trafficking twenty three years, I mean,
like twenty three years a long time, but those are three fairly serious lives
that aren't coming back for any reason. And like you said, he probably
got twenty years for the drug trafficking, a year for the robbery, in
two years for the murders. I don't know that. I don't mean to
be unnecessarily once the word, I don't mean to be unnecessarily flippant. But
yeah, we don't mean to make stuff up. No, no, but
but I am so yeah, I'm just supposing, all right. So at
a later date, after he was sentenced to twenty three years, his defense
did manage to lower his sentence by one month, so he got twenty two
years eleven months. He was sent to what's called a special regime colony in
Siberia. I believe that is the churched up name for a gulag. Yes,
a special regime colony in Siberia, which is another Just to bring it
full circle here, it's another rasputant tie in right where it was rast eaten
from Siberia. Where does Ghosha end up Siberia? And he is still there
to this day with I guess, let's see, can I do basic math?
Thirteen years left on his fourteen years left on his sentences. That is
the story of Ghosha the Wizard. Well, these uh, these stories just
kind of keep themselves perpetuated. He's going to get out and yeah, continue
he may. I mean that that's the thing. He was in his you
know, he's in his earlish forties, I believe, so he's definitely not
going to be too old to kill when they release him, especially because he's
described as like a huge muscular man. He's probably he's going to have some
of that old man prison strength when he gets out of Siberian prison. Probably
a lot more dangerous than he was before. Yeah, everyone like, don't
get involved with anybody claiming to be a wizard who's going to cleanse your karma
and cause your money to multiply like tribles. Okay, that's that's my advice.
All right. So Anson, I would love to ask you, as
I try to do with every guest I'm lucky to have on the show,
but I am particularly curious about your story. I have to say, given
that I personally am such a big fan of yours, do you have a
kind of murdery story from your own life that you would be willing to share
with me and with the listeners. Yeah, Um, there's one that's maybe
a little too close to home that I probably don't think I'm the one that
should tell it. Okay, okay, do you want to you view it
and I'll cut it, or do you just want to go to something else.
It's totally your call. Well, my my brother in law, who
I never got the chance to meet, was murdered. Oh god, that
was that was Yeah, that's a disaster. That's horrible. But Brenda actually
gave me She said, if you want to talk about that, you can,
And I thought, I I don't think that would be uh the kind
I mean, I wouldn't be able to tell it in a way that would
make it. Maybe maybe sometime you can come back on and come back on
with Brenda and she could tell it if she wants. But but that that
would be more appropriated. I think so too, so so so give me
give me another one. And and and you know it doesn't have to be
like to me kind of Murdery can run the gamut from something actually terrible,
something as weird as like I got my pocket picked by a circus dwarf and
woke up with a headache type of So I do have some I have something
that is a little, it's unusual. So yeah, so you can tell
one that that airs more on the side of fun even if you want.
It doesn't have to be so dark however, whatever you want to, it's
okay, perfect, that's the show. It's something that is dark enough to
where you have to laugh at it to get over it. I think,
uh, I mean when I was telling you about killing the spider, right,
Yeah, I like spiders. I actually, you know, I go
out of my way to avoid hurting them because I think they're incredibly interesting.
They're beautiful, so they're also helping us out most of the time. They
and all the other stuff that actually harm us, right, and the jumping
spiders have a thing for hanging out with me, so that's kind of cool.
Yeah. Yeah, But I do have a story that involves a barbecue
that went very wrong. This is like in probably nineteen ninety seven. I
had some friends over. The idea was to barbecue, and one of my
friends brought over some lobster and I was thinking, I guess that's possible.
Yeah, they didn't seem to be alive, and I so I thought,
Okay, she probably cut them in half maybe and just put them on the
barbecue. Right, because again, you couldn't just easily google how to grill
lobster in nineteen ninety exactly. Yeah, yeah, I'll be right back,
yeah, right, right right, okay, continue, Well, okay,
So I took a large knife and I cut them in half lengthwise and no,
no protest, you know, no reaction, and I brought them to
the grill outside. You know, the guests were around, standing around on
the porch, and I put them on the grill and they came to life,
and it was it was disturbing, and you know, everybody's watching.
And I had a piece of tinfoil out there that I you know, was
for wrapping something, I guess, but I tried to put the tinfoil over
them and just press it down onto them. And I turned around and I'm
pot. I turned around and I'm apologizing to the other people that are watching
it, and their eyes are looking past me, and they all they're all
just like white and petrified. And one of my friends says, oh,
that's much worse. And I turn around and the tinfoil is undulating, just
undulating, you know, and your imagination takes over and it's it's worse than
you know, probably it was but uh yeah, some people left and it
was a it was a disaster for Oh my god, wow, that's insane.
And I was the only one that well, okay, I didn't feel
like eating them, but I did. And they were delicious. Let me
just put that out there. I'm sure they were. I don't even remember.
I just remember, like, this is the least I could do.
Yeah, they can't just be throwing it, be disrespectful of their agony and
yeah, yeah, wow yeah, I so. Yeah, kids at home,
you always boil them. Yeah, I guess it's the only way to
so even that even that sound barbaric, but so I have better than Yeah.
I have grilled lobster before, but I believe it was previously frozen,
like I bought it at Costco, so like there was no question of it
being expired dead. But yeah, they do. I mean, I've also
boiled them and you hear them scrabbling around in the pot, not for long,
and it is a little heart wrenching. But on the other hand,
my god, they're so delicious, And part of me also feels like maybe
it's not such a bad thing that if we're going to choose to consume animals,
and I am. I respect everyone's choices and beliefs. I myself am
an unapologetic omnivore, But at the same time, I think that maybe it's
healthy to experience something of the animals suffering and to understand the truth of what
you're doing. With modern supermarkets. You know, it's like the meat is
all it's just in a package. We've become very disconnected from the cycle of
life and death, that is the reality of eating animals. So as horrifying
as it is, I mean, yours is like on absolute horror movie,
but I think that that's not necessarily a negative to feel that pang of regret
or guilt that the animal is dying for you. You know, I absolutely
agree with you, And I mean I think most people who are, you
know, if they want to become vegetarians, you know, tour a slaughterhouse.
That should help. I might give you other problems, but yeah,
I think you should face the demons that are part of what you're consuming.
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. Well, you know,
it started as a nice lobster barbecuing story and then at least spiritually, it
felt like it got very kind of murdery there. So I think we nailed
the objective there is. Boy, I gotta say thank you so much for
coming on. So you've got this wonderful website which is Ansonmatics dot com,
and tell us a little bit about if I go to Ansonmatics dot com what
will I find there? You will find artist proofs. I'm currently trying to
pick up. You know, the slack on a backlog with personal painting on
the backs of the proofs is something that I've been doing for a little while
now and I'm trying to catch up with that. But we have prints and
artist proofs, and the prices are all different because of the availability and you
know, rarity of each one. But Brenda is a great communicator. My
wife, my business manager, is an absolutely wonderful person. I adore her.
She's not like other girls. She's an unusual, an amazing person.
So yeah, you'll be communicating with her. But I hear what she's how
she's connecting with people, and it's pretty general. I guess our businesses is
dependent on people interested in magic and the collectibility of the proofs. Sure,
and people can also commission card authors, potentially original art signatures, various things.
They just need to get in touch with you and Brenda, and you
can make their antsonmadics art dreams come true if they go head over to ansonmadics
dot com. You can also find a link to ansonmadics dot com. Anson's
website in the kind of Murdering show notes for this episode, and I'll be
posting it on social media as well. Don't hesitate to reach out. Anson's
wife, Brenda is super kind, awesome and very responsive. All right,
Well, before we say goodbye, I did want to mention really quickly,
as I often do to everyone listening, that there is a free three day
get lifeline number nine eight eight that you can call anytime twenty four hours a
day, seven days a week to receive immediate counseling for substance use, mental
health, or suicidal thoughts. So God forbid, but if you find yourself
in a cute crisis, please do call nine to eight eight. Program it
into your phone now, and please do remember that the world is a better
place with you in it. If you'd like to connect with me, you
can also reach out to me kind of Murdery at gmail dot com, at
kind of Murdery on all social media, or you can call eighty eight Murdery
eighty eight six to eighty seven three three seven nine, and I would love
it if you called eighty eight murdery to tell me your own kind of murdery
story so that you can inspire an episode of the show. Anson. Once
again, thank you so much for being here. It's been something of a
dream come true for me to get to spend this time with you. I've
admired you since I was literally a small child, so it's not inaccurate to
say that you're one of my heroes, and to get to spend all this
time with you is just a phenomenal. Thank you so much, sir,
for your time and for the wonderful stories and insights that you've shared with that.
I'm glad I can inspire good things and not bad things. Absolutely well
for antsinematics, I'm Zevin Odelberg, and this has been kind of murdering.
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